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Too many are too good at ignoring obvious evidence.
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1. did the universe really start?
2. you can establish a creator, but not your god
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1. Things like the steady state theory and a universe that that "has always existed" are debunked.
2. Every "religion" incorporates a version of Jesus Christ. The Quran claims he was a prophet that performed miracles. Hinduism and Buddhism use him as simply a wise teacher. They do this because He was, arguably, the most influential being in the history of the world. The God of the Bible, Old and New Testaments, tells us that Jesus is the only way to God. Archeology has never proved that the people and places in the Bible are fictitious. You want to do your own research on which path to take? Please do! The single most important question each of us should answer as soon as possible is "Is there a Creator?" If there is, who are they and what do they want from and/or for us? We have no guarantee of a heartbeat 10 seconds from now, let alone tomorrow or next week. We can't rely on 'how good we are'. If you, say drive 90 in a 50 speed zone and are ticketed which requires us to appear before a judge, an honest judge is not going to take into account that you helped a little old lady cross the street or served food in a soup kitchen. If the evidence shows you are guilty, the judge will punish you in some way. The beauty of Christianity is that we have all broken God's laws, sinned (which comes from an archery term that means, "missed the mark") a single sin separates us from God for all eternity. The good news is that God offered us a way out, a way back to Him. The wages of sin (singular) is death, but God offers us mercy by placing all our sins on Jesus. He died paying the debt we owe for our sins. This grace is only available to us if we trust in the work He did on the cross. We must accept Him as our Savior. Faith in Him is more akin to trust. If you walk into a building with 100 floors, no stairs, and one elevator you must trust the elevator enough to walk through the door if you ever want to reach the one at the top.
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I do agree that Jesus existed and that many bible events did happen. I was challenging, though, that a specific God can not be proven. Also, to respond to the meme itself better, not everything has to necessarily start. You do not belive your God did. Also, life probably can come from non-life because of abiogenisis. While it has not been proven, it is plausible. Ultimately, I think that we are strengthening our own beliefs through debate and we can not convince each other of our worldview as our epistemologies are, at thier core, vastly different.
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You are correct that I cannot prove to you that "my God" is the Creator. Your assertion that abiogenesis could "probably happen". That an actual miracle of life from non life, is just silly. I understand that non believers need this miracle to have happened in an attempt to convince themselves that there is no greater authority than man. That there is no being that can tell them that their behavior has consequences beyond what humanity can or will punish. It is equally inexplicable to believe that a created universe (most scientists firmly believe that it did have a beginning) can be as finely tuned as this one is. Boyle's law tells us stars couldn't form naturally. I tell you and everyone else that the path of the nonbeliever is one that will eventually lead to a place you don't want to be. I am certain that, even though I don't deserve Mercy, I've been given Mercy through God's unearned grace. I, too, was born broken, separated from the Creator, the loving and perfectly just God. I do not wish to see anyone punished eternally when there is an option that is so readily attainable. Thousands of years ago, mankind severed its built in attachment to its Creator. We broke it so we aren't able to reattach ourselves to Him. Only He could make it possible. About two thousand years ago, He did, but we are not automatically gifted with it. We must acknowledge that He is above us. Far above us.
0 ups, 24h,
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Firstly, I would like to point out that I am agruing the point of a lack of a creator being plausible. I do think that is is possible, however unlikely, that a creator exists. Also, people do not turn away from God because they do not want an authority above them to exist. There are other reasons, correct me if I am wrong, but you most likely heard that reason from a religious leader that does not undetstand how an aithest thinks. Please do not try to claim religious leaders know how aithiests think, as they mostly do not.
On the subject of abiogenisis, the Miller-Urey experiment did not prove abiogenisis, but provided solid evidence that it is plausible that life could come from non-life. Next, I would like to point out, while steady-state theory has been debunked, there are other models that support an eternal universe, like a cosmic bounce or cyclic model. To adress your claim about Boyle's law, in the scenario of Boyle's law, heat can not radiate from the system, where as in a star formation, some heat can radiate out, reducing pressure and allowing the gas to form a star. Lastly, I would like to emphasize that our epistemologies are very different. You build your's around faith, while aithiests build their's around science and hard facts. Ultimately, we will not be able to convince eachother that we are right because of our epistemologies. Thank you.
0 ups, 23h
I have spoken to and listened to former atheists and gotten their reasoning on what they "believed". I agree that I can never convince you to place your trust in an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent Creator. Only God can cause that change. I am commanded to share the good news that there is existence following this short mortal life. It could be quite positive or decidedly negative. In addition to it being a mandate, I honestly don't wish anyone to experience the negative outcome. I wish you a very long life filled with many encounters with those that love you enough to save your soul. I also pray that you have encounters with miracles and with God Himself. God will not send you to hell, your choice on this issue will. Thank you for a ..respectful dialogue.😌
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